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TRPG討論區 => 研討區 => PF1 討論區 => 主题作者是: Hyde123 于 2023-03-17, 周五 17:03:14
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刚刚看到别人说顺势斩是吃不到2倍力量加成的,那正常双手武器战要怎么bd呢?
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战士底子吗?双手战士变体?
决斗手套必买。
进阶武器训练-勇士之魂,可以看情况上破敌附魔等等
沉着暴怒、要害打击、剑刃壁障、推进强袭可以选着用
或者盾牌专攻-自由之盾或盾牌支撑得到盾牌增加防御
精通先攻-战斗耐力可以让你先攻取20
某些等级开团可以兼职醉蛮狂暴喝酒以及狂怒终结
也可以兼职拳师拿千招百式看情况掏出业余宿敌之类的玩
以上资源都不开的话就盾牌专攻盾牌猛击双手盾牌砸
再不开就钢铁意志点起来
双手战士的伤害不会很高也不会很低
建议多考虑防御端
持久才是真战士
照着girigiripony大佬的发帖记录抄BD
:em006 和法爷牧业德爷术爷处好关系,吃喝拉撒全靠队友
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楼上说得很对,大力双手战一个猛力伤害已经足够看了,补个要害打击弥补下没办法全回合时候的伤害,剩下就如果开的话可以补一个勇士之魂提高下伤害和适用性
剩下就是想办法活久一点和得到做更多事的能力更好
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盾牌支撑可能吃不到双手力调1.5,毕竟你并非双手持握这个武器,所以是单倍力调加上1换3的猛力,考虑到盾牌支撑还得吃减值,绝大部分时候自由之盾都是一个更好的选择。双手战士职业能力是个例外,因为其描述是
7级起,双手战士用双手武器进行全力攻击时,他除第一击外所有的伤害骰都增加两倍力量修正。
因此让铁壁流盾牌支撑双手战士的构筑在保留原有的输出,铁壁流也能狠狠地加强双手屌战纸一样的防御端。至于铁壁流能不能消塔盾盾牌支撑的减值,别问我,问dm,我是钻空子的死滥强
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输出够用就好。你也不会想每轮秒个几只怪然后逼得GM跟你军竞。当然想的话当我没说。
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:em006
我没有实际用过,我一直以为盾牌支撑还能继续算作双手持武器
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说到这个,当我同时点出了自由之盾,强击流和双武器战斗,我可以用1.5倍力调的双手武器和副手小圆盾来打双武器吗,如果是盾牌支撑呢
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根据FAQ单手拿双手武器视作单手武器触发不了职业特性,根据猛力描述单倍力调偷不了1换3。
不要点顺势斩。
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Power Attack: If I am using a two-handed weapon with one hand (such as a lance while mounted), do still I get the +50% damage for using a two-handed weapon?
Yes.
Weapons, Two-Handed in One Hand: When a feat or other special ability says to treat a weapon that is normally wielded in two hands as a one handed weapon, does it get treated as one or two handed weapon for the purposes of how to apply the Strength modifier or the Power Attack feat?
If you're wielding it in one hand (even if it is normally a two-handed weapon), treat it as a one-handed weapon for the purpose of how much Strength to apply, the Power Attack damage bonus, and so on.
Benefit: You can choose to take a –1 penalty on all melee attack rolls and combat maneuver checks to gain a +2 bonus on all melee damage rolls. This bonus to damage is increased by half (+50%) if you are making an attack with a two-handed weapon, a one handed weapon using two hands, or a primary natural weapon that adds 1-1/2 times your Strength modifier on damage rolls. This bonus to damage is halved (–50%) if you are making an attack with an off-hand weapon or secondary natural weapon. When your base attack bonus reaches +4, and every 4 points thereafter, the penalty increases by –1 and the bonus to damage increases by +2. You must choose to use this feat before making an attack roll, and its effects last until your next turn. The bonus damage does not apply to touch attacks or effects that do not deal hit point damage.
至少一倍力调猛力偷不了一换3我是没看出来,FAQ猛力也属于自由心证
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faq只有长枪那条比较怪,和其他两条冲突(一条你列的一条是关于重剑的,都认为单手拿就用单手)
关于盾牌支撑写不明白的部分,society clarifications 有一条,可以认为是解释作用方式
Page 18—When using the Shield Brace feat, treat the polearm or spear as a one-handed weapon. More specifically, when calculating the damage the weapon deals, it uses your Strength bonus instead of 1.5 times your Strength bonus, and it counts as a one- handed weapon when determining extra damage from the Power Attack feat. You may use Two- Weapon Fighting and other feats as if the polearm were a one handed weapon.
说白了仅有长枪那一条faq可以用于支持单手+50%,而且和其他东西是互斥的
(paizo论坛普遍认为只把长枪剔除出去作特例就行;设计师说以后研究但到底没说;3r据说有faq指出长枪在马上也应用单手规则但pf没抄那条
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雖然P子一向是SB,但如果要把他們嘴後不理的傻話當真來律的話,我認為有幾個折衷而比較合理裁定
1. 把雙手武器視為單手武器的能力,一律視為單手武器處理。(重劍FAQ和单手持用双手武器FAQ皆明確指出「将通常需要双手持用的武器视为单手武器」)
2. 能以單手握持雙手武器的效果,正常如同雙手武器處理。(基於長槍FAQ說明——「单手持握一件双手武器」並沒有「视为单手武器」關鍵字,在不否定FAQ的前提下不延伸閱讀的結果)
3. 沒有明確說明握持手,按武器類型處理。(這裡特別針對盾牌支撐。專長內完全沒有提及到相關武器到底是怎握持的。說它是盾牌外的單手握持可以,說它是利用裝盾牌的手雙手握持,然後自由鬆開用盾好像也行。既然沒說,就不加以延伸,僅用已有的訊息判定)
理論上忽略长枪那條的做法已經算是HR了,其實我更傾向DM個別HR處理這種爭議問題的,始終DM最大嘛~不過如果硬要律要RAW,上面三條大概是我應說服自己的唯一解了。
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这种时候长枪能算做单手穿刺武器吗
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盾牌支撑看“支撑(brace)”二字情景上感觉不是用手握而是用盾牌顶来实现双“手”持握
如此就类似“小圆盾手参与攻击造成的命中减值”,“持盾手用于协助攻击”而产生等同防具检定减值的惩罚也比较说得通了